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greenie_breizhPremière prise de position interreligieuse en France contre le mariage homosexuel.
Glad to see religions putting their differences aside to take a common stand against same-sex marriage. Hate's such a great uniter!
A funny thing happened in class last night (funny-nerdy, not funny haha). We're studying a collection of poems by Elizabeth Bishop, and so last night the teacher handed up a poem (Pink Dog) so we'd have a quick look at it and start writing down remarks about the poem for analysis. Then we shared some of what we'd notice wit the class. The poem is about this pink dog walking in the streets and everybody looking at it weird - then it's associated with all the rejects of society (in particular the homeless). So I wrote something about marginals, how people would rather they be hidden, gotten rid of, that sort of thing.
And then the teacher tells us Bishop was a lesbian and her status as an outsider helps understand the fact she speaks of marginals and "otherhood".
I find it interesting that the element that struck me most in the poem is what's related to the author's sense of otherness because of her sexuality. It's partly a coincidence, of course, and doesn't just have to do with the fact I'm gay. It's also that it's been my job ; I work on discrimination and LGBT issues on a daily basis, so of course I'd see things through this prism. But it does make me wonder if, by being an outsider in that way, you gain in awareness - you become more sensitive to what it means to be, not necessarily outright rejected, but just forgotten, ignored, not desired. Is it because you're gay you're more sensitive to that (because you're concerned), or do you become more sensitive to that as you develop a sense of group consciousness? Is it simply because I work in that field? Would I have become so involved in the field of discrimination if I hadn't come out? I have no doubt a number of straight people are extremely sensitive to the issue of otherness, but I can't help wondering if it's something more unconsciousness, almost, when you're concerned one way or another. Like an automatic reflex you develop. Something you see and you don't realize it might not be obvious for others.
While I'm on gay stuff, I finally got in touch Cilla last night and she told me a bit more about PA's GSA. Apparently it was a quiet process there, something that sort of just happened. What's interesting is that Concord High started its GSA approximately at the same time. I'm thinking if things went differently at Concord (very possible seeing Concord High is a public school and not necessarily as liberal as PA is well-known for being), it could be interesting to draw a parrallel between the two. I think I just found an email for the current GSA adviser at Concord High, so maybe she can help me get a feel of how things went there back then.
Glad to see religions putting their differences aside to take a common stand against same-sex marriage. Hate's such a great uniter!
A funny thing happened in class last night (funny-nerdy, not funny haha). We're studying a collection of poems by Elizabeth Bishop, and so last night the teacher handed up a poem (Pink Dog) so we'd have a quick look at it and start writing down remarks about the poem for analysis. Then we shared some of what we'd notice wit the class. The poem is about this pink dog walking in the streets and everybody looking at it weird - then it's associated with all the rejects of society (in particular the homeless). So I wrote something about marginals, how people would rather they be hidden, gotten rid of, that sort of thing.
And then the teacher tells us Bishop was a lesbian and her status as an outsider helps understand the fact she speaks of marginals and "otherhood".
I find it interesting that the element that struck me most in the poem is what's related to the author's sense of otherness because of her sexuality. It's partly a coincidence, of course, and doesn't just have to do with the fact I'm gay. It's also that it's been my job ; I work on discrimination and LGBT issues on a daily basis, so of course I'd see things through this prism. But it does make me wonder if, by being an outsider in that way, you gain in awareness - you become more sensitive to what it means to be, not necessarily outright rejected, but just forgotten, ignored, not desired. Is it because you're gay you're more sensitive to that (because you're concerned), or do you become more sensitive to that as you develop a sense of group consciousness? Is it simply because I work in that field? Would I have become so involved in the field of discrimination if I hadn't come out? I have no doubt a number of straight people are extremely sensitive to the issue of otherness, but I can't help wondering if it's something more unconsciousness, almost, when you're concerned one way or another. Like an automatic reflex you develop. Something you see and you don't realize it might not be obvious for others.
While I'm on gay stuff, I finally got in touch Cilla last night and she told me a bit more about PA's GSA. Apparently it was a quiet process there, something that sort of just happened. What's interesting is that Concord High started its GSA approximately at the same time. I'm thinking if things went differently at Concord (very possible seeing Concord High is a public school and not necessarily as liberal as PA is well-known for being), it could be interesting to draw a parrallel between the two. I think I just found an email for the current GSA adviser at Concord High, so maybe she can help me get a feel of how things went there back then.
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Date: 2007-02-20 05:14 pm (UTC)Mais par contre pour moi ouvrir le mariage aux personnes de même sexe c'est hyper important pour une simple raison : l'égalité. Parce qu'ouvrir le mariage aux couples du même sexe, c'est dire officiellement qu'ils valent la même chose qu'un couple hétéro. C'est l'Etat qui reconnait enfin la validité de ce couple. Le mot mariage en lui-même a beaucoup de poids, ne serait-ce que parce qu'il implique les mots "mari" et "femme" (qu'on emploie parfois même sans savoir si les gens sont réellement mariés). C'est pour ça aussi que je n'aime pas qu'on dise qu'en GB les homos peuvent se marier entre eux, c'est faux, c'est une "Civil Partnership" qu'ils ont là-bas. Ca a beau donner les mêmes droits, le fait même d'avoir un nom différent me dérange. Ca fait très "separate but equal", et on a vu comment ça avait bien marché ce genre de choses. -_-
Et puis aussi, c'est une question de choix. Dans la situation actuelle, beaucoup de couples homos n'ont pas de désir de se marier et donc ce n'est pas un problème. Mais ce n'est pas une raison pour retirer le choix à tout le monde. Finalement, l'idée c'est que les homos comme les hétéros devraient pouvoir choisir de dire oui ou non au mariage selon leurs préférences. On devrait pas retirer ce choix à quelqu'un le jour où il se rend compte qu'il est homo. C'est plus dévastateur qu'on ne pourrait le croire au premier abord, à mon avis.
Enfin bref je sais que je prêche une convertie en fait ;), mais c'est vrai qu'au premier abord et surtout à coté de l'homoparentalité le mariage ça peut paraître relativement sans importance, mais pour moi la symbolique est très forte. Bon, et puis il y a le fait qu'effectivement, c'est pas mal de prendre position pour quand on voit ce que disent ce qui sont contre ;)
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Date: 2007-02-26 07:57 pm (UTC)Pour conclure sur ce sujet, je tenais bien à t'assurer que je suis tout à fait d'accord avec le principe de tout ce que tu as énoncé, et que si je pensais pouvoir faire quelque chose, et que j'était plus impliquée en politique d'une manière générale (ce qui n'est pas du tout le cas ^^,), je serais sûrement motivée par cette cause. Mais en fait, je suis étrangement insensible à cette injuste, comparée à l'ensemble des injustices dans le monde. Je ne sais pas trop pourquoi en fait. Si on me demande "Pour ou contre le mariage homo ?", je répondrai sans hésiter "pour", parce que..."pourquoi ce serait non, d'abord ?".. Mais de là à participer à des défilés et manifestations, je sais que je ne le ferai pas. Pourtant, je supporte totalement l'idéalisme de l'égalité (même si c'est un mirage pour bien des choses).
Et comme toi, je déteste qu'on sépare les choses pour les personnes que la société semble vouloir accepter tout en laissant de côté, comme par charité. :/
Bref, affaire à suivre. L'avenir nous dira de quelle façon les choses évoluent. -_-
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Date: 2007-02-28 10:38 pm (UTC)En fait je pense que le sujet continue de me passionner pour trois choses - d'abord il se trouve que, par un hasard de l'Histoire, ça a été ma porte d'entrée dans le monde militant LGBT ; ensuite je trouve ça assez fort comme symbole ; et enfin vu la véhémence des antis, ça me donne envie de crier plus fort. ^^